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--your radio friend, Bat Guano

Someone must invite Ross Perot back into the ring.  There is now a serious imbalance of conservative independant representation.

he's entered the race on legitimate grounds, you know? he is saying that none of the candidates are asking the questions he's asking. he's also saying that all of the current candidates are all too closely-tied to big business.

also, to blame him soley for 2 terms of GWB???

WTF?

Do you honestly believe that? I'm sorry, but that's fucked up. What that says to me is that you have no faith in the system whatsoever. And if that's true, why do you vote? Or don't you? If you have no faith in democracy, why even post about Nader? By blaming Nader, you're also exposing yourself as rather ignorant about how the system works... I don't mean to make this sound like a personal attack, but I've heard too many so-called "liberals" blame Nader supporters for somehow "causing" Gore to lose the 2000 election. But, what they mean to say is "I only support democracy when it works FOR ME!" And, isn't that a rather GOP/corporate/Bush way of thinkin'?

And I'll call Nader a pointless jackass as well.

Has he done anything to make the Greens (or whatever the hell he says he is now) a legitimate party? Has he helped build the party, to get their candidates in congress, in state and local elections? Has he worked to build support for himself from Green voters? Ran in a Green primary as a means of selecting which Green is the best for the Greens; and which Green contender might have a chance in '08?

Has he done anything to build a serious third party?

Or has he just jumped in, as the R and D primaries get their front-runners, to say, Oh, hey, me too!

Woo-hoo! Look at me! Ralph Nader! Haven't done shit since my days as a consumer advocate except collect speaking fees. But I've run for President! And I'm doin' it again! So vote for me because Gore and Bush, Bush and Kerry, Obama and McCain, are all identical!

--your radio friend, Bat Guano

Why wont Nader just go away??

nader is going to be the voice of all the ron paul supporters....im gonna bet he picks him as his running mate....

Has he done anything to build a serious third party?

That's my biggest question about Nader, who I do believe has every right to run, but I have to wonder why he hibernates so (or seems to) when he's not running.  A few, very fervent Nader/Green Party supporters made good points about him and his cause to me when he was running in 2000, and I understood full well why they wouldn't vote for any Dems or Reps... and I understand why they won't vote for any now. Still, seems like, if you're going to put yourself out there as a viable third-party candidate, get out there during non-election time and make a big noise about what's going on and why you intend to change it all come election time.

BTW, I think Gore's biggest enemy in 2000 was himself.  He tried so hard to distance himself from Clinton post-impeachment that he failed to emphasize the major accomplishments of the administration of which he was part.  I guess Nixon had the same problem in 1960.

Yes, in total agreement that if Nadir is back then we must seek the cranky services of Ross Perot to suck a few votes from Red heads.  Can the Dems help fund Ross or at least tease the Lil Billionaire into running?

I directly blame both Ralph Nader and the 96, 837 voters in Florida who voted for him for Bush's 2000 'victory'.   Sorry it is as simple as that.  If even half of those people had voted for Gore he would have been president then and probably still in office now.  Imagine no 9/11, no Iraq war.   An America with at least a minimum of respect around the world.  Modest differences perhaps but differences none the less.

you can blame them, but keep that as your own personal opinion. it is not "simple as that". you -in no way imaginable- can know what those 96,837 voters would have done. Besides, all other evidence strongly points to voter fraud; which adds up -to me, at least- that Gore would have lost anyway.

you honestly think that if Gore won there would have been no 9/11? (no Iraq war, sure...) I mean, I'll gladly admit that if Bush hadn't won, that 9/11 might not have happened. But, that is nothing more than conjecture. Surely you can admit to that?

Meanwhile, be mad at Nader! And even disagree with him. But blaming him for a bunch of "what ifs" is fucking juvenille. at least know your limits and know what truths you might not know.

Aug. 6, 2001, Bush got the presidential daily briefing, "Bin Laden determined to strike in US". He ignored it. He ignored repeated warnings from the remnants of the Clinton FBI, CIA, terrorism dudes like Richard Clark, that something was about to go down. I've always thought that the "9/11 was an inside job" people were paranoid freaks, but I've always suspected that Bush thought, 'let's see what happens if they do attack...heh heh heh.'

But he could've just thought, screw those Clinton holdovers, I gots my own way of knowin'... And/or Bush was/is just plain incompetent.

It's pretty doubtfull that Gore would've ignored the warnings as well.

I know back then that Nader people claimed that Gore would be just as bad as Bush. You can say that it a lame what-if game of assumptions to think that Gore would've been better, but after nearly eight years we can make a pretty educated guess and say with some certainty that Gore wouldn't have been such a shitcockfuck. That at the end of a Gore administration we wouldn't feel as anally raped as we do now.

And of course Nader helped Bush win. But if Gore had done just a bit better in Florida, Nader wouldn't have mattered.

But it's what third party presidential candidates accomplish -- they skim the votes of left-leaners from the left-leaning Dem candidate (or right- from right-leaning Repub). (Sure, some of those voters wouldn't have voted anyway, we assume.) They don't have a chance at accomplishing anything more than that, unless they build support behind their party and unless they build a party that's more than a label slapped on the one jackass who turns up every four years.

Damn, we're all getting so heavy. Here's a video to lighten up the joint.

--your radio friend, Bat Guano

The reason that voter fraud could influence the election so much in Florida was that the election was so close (500-1000 vote margin depending on who did the counting).  If, as I said, half of the Nader voters had voted for Gore, the margin would have been around 50,000 for Gore and would have been way more difficult to jack.   A very similar thing occurred in Illinois in 1960, in which Kennedy carried the state by a handful of votes that were rigged up by Joe Kennedy and Sam Giancana. 

Obviously this is all personal opinion and there is a touch of hyperbole and speculation to some of what I am saying, especially the 9/11 part.  However, I do think it is very safe to say that Ralph Nader and his supporters did as much or more to cost Gore the presidency in 2000 as any fraud.   The Naderites can say whatever they want about both parties being the same and all (and in a lot of ways they are) but when one thinks how preventable the aberration called George W. Bush was it is kind of ironic to think that the people who theoretically disliked him the most were the ones that elected him. 

Fucking juvenile?  You hilarious. 

As much as I'd love to blame Bush on America's flaccid penis (aka Florida) ... Gore was unable to muster up a win in his home state of TN. Ouch!

Nader was nowhere to be found while Kerry was getting the beat 4 years later. Ouch OUCH!

I'll probably be impressed if whoever eventually gets seated this time around can avoid a replay of USA circa 1929.

Oh holy shit B. Guano, there's a snippet of that "My loony bun is fine Benny Lava" vid within that Obama splooge piece. Gotta love it.

~still haven't found what i'm looking for

"OBAMA SPLOOGE '08"



--your radio friend, Bat Guano

yeah, considering how fucking old you are; juvenile behavior should be left to the youth.

This old, dead, horse that we're beating.... it's Nader, right?



--your radio friend, Bat Guano

DAAAANG......

As is sarcasm, I'm aware.

Of course, what you're attacking is a just a symptom of the REAL problem - that the electoral college is an unwieldy, antiquated system that gives tiny, useless states too much weight and makes the voters feel powerless and annoyed. Third parties (let alone fourth and fifth...) need a one citizen / one vote scenario to be effective in any way except as spoilers.

Dude all I said is you are hilarious.  Baiting me on my age will get you nowhere, trust me I've heard it all.    I have however had the unique pleasure of my 20 year old daughter saying 'hey dad, you need to catch me up on what's going on with music' which I don't think is something the average 48 year old person hears on a regular basis. 

name calling rules! we need more of that olden tyme juvenile behavior here! lol

--your radio friend, Bat Guano

enon eh maus.  We are familiar with The Trolls.  If herb is too old, you're too shitty to log in like a decent human being.  I hope that Ray & Pete's ghosts are your neighbours.

http://www.thecross-photo.com/Hubert-Patron_Saint_of_Hunters-Written_by_Mitch_Ballard.htm

eh, whatever. you guys clearly don't get it, and can't take humor. I could go on about mr.b's age and status as an aged scenester clown in kazoo, but what good would that do?

You could at least put some effort into it. We all know he's a clown; we got photos to prove it. But that's why we hang with him in our anti-Nader gang.

The "boring" note has been noted. You were so bored with the discussion of Nader's spell over his pawns that you have declared boredom. Yawn. So filled with ennui over our juvenile babblings that you could barely type in a response, not even using capitalization except for the telltale "I".


--your radio friend, Bat Guano

You know the more I watch this thing I think Obama is gonna emerge the victor, at least on the Democrat side, he's just so damn sexy.  Hillary seems more and more like a stubborn turd that just wont flush, circling, floating, circiling... maybe next time her shrill-assed voice will be waterlogged enough to go down.  Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against a woman president, I just wish our Govoner was running instead of Hilliary, she has a soothing voice when she's blowing sunshine.  Oh and Nader can suck it, sure he's got the right to run, but I'm not impressed.  And for that matter, the more I hear Ron Paul speak, the more he seems like a less-government-fuck-social-programs-conservative-wackjob asshole.  The best thing he has going for him is his grass roots posse.  At least the republicans who smoke pot will have someone to vote for.

I don't get it!  Everbuddy please STOP!  Funyuns is ascared a TROLLS!  They are not for jokings!  There almots as bad as ZOMBIES accept instead of my branes they hornswoggle me when Im just trying to walk my goats in PEACE. The minit they hear the clip clop on that birdge, OUT THEY COME, and yelling! PAY THE TROLLS TO THE TROLLS!  And i says WHY DO YOU WANT MORE TROLLS WHEN THERES ARE SO MANY OF YOU ALREADY?! and then thy go PAY THE TROLLS TO THE TROLLS and I says BUT I...WHY DO YOU WNAT MORE TROLLS? and then i think maybe, you know, be funny and deflect and I says I DONT HAVE TROLLS!  I GOT  ASHOT FOR THAT! and boy that got them trolls hot and so here they come, beat my shins with their lil warty fists and take my monny out of pockits and the goats dont do nothin but stand there going MEAAAAAAAH and chewing cans and what the hell, where was Nader then, when I needed him?! long story short dont even try to be funny aint nobody round here that cottons to THAT shit. Trolls neither.

DON'T WORRY FUNYUNS YOU ARE SAFE HERE WITH THESE MISERABLE, HUMORLESS BASTARDS!  EEEP!  EEEEP!

Frankly, this shit makes me miss William F. Buckley, Jr.

I thought this thread was about polls! Or pols! Or something....

THEY ARE GOOD FOR CLIMBIN ON EEP!  EEP!

I LIKE BUCKLE SHOES EEEP!  EEP!

Wow you're making yourself seem more like the proverbial troll with each post.  Not sure I understand your point.  Are you trying to 'out' me as old?  Gee I think I figured that one out.  'Aged scenester clown?'  Oh my God do people say stuff like that behind my back?   I never would have thought...

Yeah that Dick Bowser can be such a uptight dick and it's so pathetic to see his gnarly old ass out on the town.  Why doesn't he just give up and stay home?  Wow I can write that myself. 

If you think the people on this forum (myself included) 'can't take humor' than you really must be working as a troll because you haven't in any way shape or form picked up on the content or context of this forum.    

Shitdamn Revelation!  Wow you're 8 years older than me... Holy Crap!  I can't believe I even hang out with you geezers.

And he dances funny, too.

Ralph Nader invented the color green.
Ralph Nader bums beers offa you at partays.
Ralph Nader invented the death of humour.
Ralph Nader is anonymous for lovers.
Ralph Nader is for filling your pipe with dreams.
Ralph Nader is Leap Year herpes.

A super scrub!

And you're not gettin a haircut neither.

SCRUB!