I was thinking about the decline in music sales, downloading, all that crud.
I think I have a fix, but it would take the combined efforts the movie, TV, and music industries.
Downloads are convenient but lame, and when your hard drive crashes, so sorry about your luck. Plus, a lot of people won’t pay for what they can easily find for free on file sharing sites.
Prerecorded CD’s are dying out, partially because of MP3 players, partially because now everyone know what a rip-off they’ve been. $17.99 at the mall, or burn yourself a copy for about $0.25. People don’t give a shit about the artist’s royalties, especially when the music’s so disposable. So the artist has to charge a couple hundred dollars for a concert ticket so they can keep the crib looking nice in case Ed Lover shows up with a camera. Fuck ‘em.
So, here’s the fix. A couple of sure-to-be big movies, MTV, shows on the Disney Channel, they all gotta make Vinyl cool. Hannah Montana and Christian Bale and all those popular hipsters have to spend screen time flipping through their LP’s and talking about how great they sound and how collectible and permanent and hip they are. They gotta talk about their great turntables, diamond needles, all that crap. Maybe some ugly schmo needs to get laid because of his collection.
At the same time, some HUGE record company (probably tied to the involved films/TV shows… Sony?) has to announce that, as of (pick a date) all new releases will be vinyl only, however, if you purchase the vinyl, you get a code that allows you to download that album, and all related videos, bonus songs for free, maybe as many times as they want (for a year? Forever?) And since you paid for it, and you can get the MP3 for free now, you can turn around and sell the vinyl if you want, ‘cause you still own the download rights.
Money lost on the sales of video downloads would easily be made back if more people were actually paying for a full album.
The LP has to be made new again as well. Clear/Ryko vinyl? Etched labels instead of paper? Ultimately, people would need to be convinced that the LP is an investment. Something to covet or brag about. It’s "bling" now.
Also, same company has to introduce several cool/quality record players, maybe with USB outputs. These would need to be featured in the TV/Movie scenes, made a big deal of, gotta look awesome too.
Yes, I’m in favor of "the media" attempting to brain wash the public into buying something they don’t really need, but only just this once.
Buy the very cool LP with all it’s artwork and joint-rolling potential, get the download free.
You should never say that Hanna Montana is a "hipster" in public
Interesting. I think free downloads of what you bought makes sense, but the music industry would never go for it, even though it might save them.
One thing to look at is how the culture has changed music-wise. I’ve rambled about that before, though I may not have made any sense.
But another factor to look at is how people have so much more crap to spend their entertainment dollars on. Cable/Sat, sat radio, HDTV, DVD, iPod, cell (yes, an entertainment device — in my day if you wanted to talk to your friends you’d use a telephone in the house, and you only had one telephone machine, etc.), computer, game console, etc. You need $$$ for all that. Are you going to spend $15 for a CD instead?
Why, in my day, I’d buy $9 Cramps records at the local corner Boogies Druggie/Record shop, take it home to the old victrola, record it on cassette, and make my friends listen to it. Those days are gone.
Well Tree I keep reading
Well Tree I keep reading about how vinyl is hip with Generation Y (or at least about how there is some interest, as opposed to say VHS cassettes). Also, at least two albums I have recently purchased (Pissed Jeans, Spoon) came with download coupons, and some albums (I think Magnolia Electric did this, as well as some others) have included a copy of the CD with the vinyl.
The newest Ted Leo
The newest Ted Leo vinyl came with an MP3 coupon. Dyno-mite, I say. I’ve used each format equally.
I’ve been toying with the idear of buying a USB connectable turntable. Anyone got one? Thoughts?
I didn't think I'd invented
I didn’t think I’d invented the "free download with purchase" idea, but I didn’t know who was doing it, or how often. I still think that if Spiderman told the kids to buy records, they’d do it. Unfortunately, Spiderman tells ‘em to download songs to their (soon to be dropped in the toilet and ruined) cell phones. That way, when they buy a new cell phone, they’ll buy more crappy MP3’s.
What the hell is tommorow’s broke-ass college kid gonna hock when he needs weed?
Yup.
We have one. I’ve been fairly happy with the results. It’s a Numark TTUSB. Sound quality of ripped LP is no worse than any other MP3, comes with nifty software to equalize and clean up noise (if you want). The bummer is the editing - a record side is imported as one big chunk one has to go in and digitally edit apart. Although this is relatively easy it’s not as easy as sticking a CD into the computer, selecting import into iTunes and letting it rip. I can send you an MP3 ripped from LP sample if you’d like to hear one.
I’ve only ripped a few LPs so far because of the time issue - one can rip an LP in real time or rip a 33 1/3 LP at 45 then tweak the recorded file down back to 33 1/3 sounding, which is still fairly time consuming considering that in order to hear the tracks individually one still needs to edit the burned track. Plus entering track names by hand.
On the topic of LP permanence, to keep your microgroove discs (LPs, shellacs, acetates, whatever) in "permanent" form you need to play them on this: http://www.laserturntable.com/ Otherwise you might as well take a Brillo pad to the surface as each needle drag eats away a little more of the precious surface. (that last statment may be hyperbole…) They’ll still last a helluva lot longer than your CDs and digital media. That is, if you can find a record player to play them on (which doesn’t seem to be an issue thus far…)
College hock.
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What the hell is tommorow’s broke-ass college kid gonna hock when he needs weed?
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Video games and accompanying systems.
Booooo to all formats, I say.
[quote=Herb Tarlick]
Also, at least two albums I have recently purchased (Pissed Jeans, Spoon) came with download coupons, and some albums (I think Magnolia Electric did this, as well as some others) have included a copy of the CD with the vinyl.
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Which is why I’ve only heard the Spoon album once, despite the great anticipation, deliberation, and care in purchasing it. No one has had the time to download the album for ipods/ CD use, and I am NEVER near the turntable. It’s actually easier to give up on music entirely.
two turntables...
[quote=wizzybit]
and I am NEVER near the turntable.
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Which is why I bought the USB turntable. Pretty much guaranteed that it would be exclusively for my use if it were attached to the computer. That time thing is still a problem.
tree wrote:
A couple of sure-to-be big movies, MTV, shows on the Disney Channel, they all gotta make Vinyl cool.[/quote] Nick Naylor doesn’t hide the truth …he filters it.
THANK YOU FOR SMOKING
the new Cheater Slicks lp
the new Cheater Slicks lp Walk Into The Sea was the first vinyl that I bought with an mp3 download included for free.
I remember this related story as if it was told to me yesterday: Joel W*** goes to Flypeside to buy the new Shellac Terraform album. He scoops up the vinyl and he buys the cd for format totality. Too bad the vinyl had a cd inside of it, goddamn you Albundy!
People outside of the know tell me all the time that vinyl is making a comeback. Thank you cashier at religious thrift store. Want to buy a Metal Teeth single? It’s hip.
Clarification.
[quote=Ms. Info]
Pretty much guaranteed that it would be exclusively for my use if it were attached to the computer.
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Let me clarify that the above statement was not mean to imply a restriction of use with regard to the other turntable (although that statement is loaded with implication). It’s more on my part of being lazy and not wanting to deal with the purely analog one nor taking or having the time to sit down and enjoy a record in a static location where I’m focused on doing one activity.
When Tim purchases music it isn’t strictly in a record format. If it’s something he knows I’ll be interested in it’s usually picked up in CD form since he knows I won’t take (or have) the time to rip it from record - and he brings home stuff that I exclusively may be interested in (I doubt he really wanted to listen to that Tori Amos CD that he brought home after working a shift at the local independent media emporium). Or, if it’s on vinyl he’ll take the time to rip it from record to CD on the burner.
Turning the world back on
Turning the world back on the records in a big way, it would be like a dream. Remember the ad sleves that would come with a record from Columbia Records and their slogan:
"It always happens first on record"
Yes sir.
One one hand if you choose to get your groove on with MP3 an downloading hey whatever floats your boat.
If you dig records first you made a friend out of me. Records are the shit, they are more important that football.
attention all retired master cutters
I’d be curious to hear what an MP3 rip from the USB turntable sounds like - no rush at all! Just wonderin’ if it sounds any better than records I burn directly to disc on the CD recorder I bought years ago. I have the recorder hooked into the tape input jacks on my receiver, so I can burn records, cassettes, radio broadcasts, and CDs too! (I also had the cable TV hooked into it before we separated the TV and stereo stuff.) Real time recording is all I can do, but at least I can separate tracks as the burn is happening, and fine tune ‘em starts and stops later if I want to. Track info entry is out of the question until I transfer to the computer.
Pre-Punchy, I could spend a lot more time with such time-consuming processes, so I’m glad for rips and downloads. Of course, they’re not cooler than records. I thought I saw some recent movie or show that had a young character listening to vinyl, but I can’t remember what it was (it was set in contemporary times). I’m sure some "kids" are diggin’ the vinyl, but I think a lot of them are buying used LPs (just like they were/are buying used CDs) - prices being charged for new vinyl make me cringe (because I’m stuck in time), though they’re still around the price of the new CD. Maybe it’s just prices I see at CD Warehouse - $12.99 is usually the average price I see for a new single disc LP, and a lot of the new LPs are doubles. Timh, what’s new LP prices like at yer store?
No matter how cool records are, since we’re record geeks (most of us), are we romanticizing the notion of records being cooler than other music formats, simply because that’s the dominant format we grew up with? I know, even I think that’s a stupid question, but think about it. When we were kids, records were cheap and easy to find. Livin’ in EL mid-‘80’s, when a new record came out, one store would have it for seven bucks, another for six, the store upstairs might have a promo for four, and the guy at the end of the street might have a used copy in a week for three. A lot of older titles were mid-line priced, or better yet cutouts. Between sales, used LPs, promos, and cutouts, I could easily spend twenty bucks and have 6 or 7 LPs to take back to the dorm (letting some friends tape some so I could tape some of theirs) . Twenty bucks for 6 or 7 "LPs" is what I spend at eMusic now (artists get a cut, so I’m not stealing, but I’m also not spending the iTunes dollar per song). I don’t get the tangible to hock later on, no graphics, no liner notes, no custom labels, no marbled vinyl, no great thrill a vinyl LP offers me, but I get the instant gratification of having the music, which is the only reason I’d really want the tangible in the first place (I don’t think I ever bought a record to "look cool").
I know there’s the whole issue of permanence, but I don’t feel so bad when I find I no longer care about that Broken Social Scene download I burned, knowing it didn’t cost me much (if anything), and I want to leave the burned disc on the staff room table for someone to take… but if I’d bought the vinyl at 12 bucks and could only resell it for two or three, I’d feel a little ticked. Download it, find out if it’s built to last, find a record if it gets pressed if you really want the permanent object. Or rolling tray.
Kap'n. I agree completely
Kap’n.
I agree completely about checking music out before you make the vinyl commitment. The internets usually make that pretty easy.
I would suspect your CD recorder does a better job than USB to MP3. You are recording in WAV format which has, what, 20 times the data of MP3/AAC/etc. Also, most of the $100-150 USB turntables will have more bass rumble, speed flutter, etc. than a Technics 1200 or an audiophile table. Without a good source you have nothing. GIGO. Maybe if it’s crappy MP3 who cares anyway? MP3/AAC are transitional formats too (unlike vinyl). In a few years when data storage will be huger and cheaper than it is now there will be an iPod type thing that will hold as much in WAV format (or even uncompressed audio) as current players hold in MP3/AAC and maybe CDs will make a brief comeback so people can reload everything onto their computers in a decent sounding format. The ‘perfect’ sound of an iPod is a bad illusion.
On the rare occasions I have digitally recorded vinyl, I have used my mini-disc recorder which uploads into the computer and converts ATRAC (a pretty good sounding compressed format on the whole) into WAV which I burn onto a disc and then load into iTunes. I still of course keep the WAV disc as a reference.
The only thing is that I haven’t seen much point in burning vinyl onto CD. Unless the source material is something that can’t be easily found in a digital format what’s the point? Records sound good when played on a good turntable through a good stereo. There is no particular advantage in the sound of LPs that are digitized over that of CDs. in fact once converted to MP3 who cares?
I think the point of owning records is to play them not to convert them to other formats.
There’s my ramble for the day, I gotta get back to work….
Geeking about the iPod again.
The problem with recording vinyl on the computer is, for me, making sure the EQ and volume going into the computer is perfect. Which is a maddening process. I don’t have any fancy softwear or special USB turntable. My eMac has a sound input hole right there, so I plug in the stereo, after hauling the turntable up to my office. The "stereo" is a ghettoblaster with EQ that I boought for two bucks at a yard sale.
But do the MP3s sound as good? No, but your pirated cassette pirate copies of stolen music didn’t either.
But did you see the new iPod? Not the "Touch," but the upper-end "Classic" iPod? It has not 30, not 80, not 100, but 160, yes, 160 gigs of storage on the sucker. With that much space, instead of using MP3s (a "lossy" format that takes out bits of sound to make a small file) you could rip a song in uncompressed, untouched, unaltered form. They would be big files, but they would fit, and they would be exact copies of what was on the CD (or whatever you got off of the vinyl). It makes me turgid just thinking about it.
And yes, records are a symbol of our lost youth, gone forever like that first kiss, never to happen the same way again.
The price of vinyl makes
The price of vinyl makes me cringe too Kap’n. New and used. At the store I work at the new Vinyl is clocking in at between $13.99 - $17.99 on average. That includes Sundazed reissues as well as new indie releases that come with MP3 dowload or cd.
I’m not exactly thrilled about the increasing price of new vinyl but I really, really dislike the price of used vinyl getting jacked up. I’m cool with used prices going up to $5.99 or $6.99 or so. That’s inflation. I’m not cool with regular old used records creeping into collector’s price territory. Led Zeppelin records are great and all but they are NOT worth $20 used.
I’m still doing my best to stick to my $15 rule for records.
I have noticed that vinyl is quite popular with the late teens - young 20s group. They buy new and used vinyl. I regular get questions of where they can purchase a new record player.
Literature Review.
More like a link dump: Some scholarly resources, guide books and discussions happening in the world of audio preservation \ digital migration \ media handling for some leisure reading. At your leisure, not mine. I have to skim this stuff (I may not have to skim the links below but am reading articles closely related):
http://www.clir.org/pubs/execsum/sum137.html
http://www.loc.gov/preserv/care/record.html
http://personal.stevens.edu/~vforrest/val/AudioArchiving/
http://www.lib.washington.edu/Music/preservation.html
http://www.arl.org/preserv/sound_savings_proceedings/Bibliography.shtml
http://www.arsc-audio.org/
http://www.library.uiuc.edu/prescons/avsap_link.htm
Hey if someone wants to pay
Hey if someone wants to pay me $20 for my Led Zeppelin albums I have one word for them. SOLD!
TT USB
One can export a file to .WAV. http://www.numark.com/ttusb
I haven’t. I haven’t exploited the RAW function on my digital camera either. Probably because I deal with both media in a digital and\or non-professional-grade format - don’t listen to the audio beyond the scope of my computer\shitty car speakers and only view the photos on a 100dpi res. capable computer screen (don’t generally make prints).
My information needs are convenience-based. Perhaps this is short sighted in my own personal preservation but I’m not too concerned. I don’t plan on having kids and don’t think I’ll miss those 15 photos I took of dinner I made back in ’06 (although I may…) . I back up my hard drive and migrate my data - not diligently. I also have film stored in a possibly acidic binder and audiotapes stored horizontally in a cardboard box in a dank storage closet . I’m just asking to lose all that data. Fortunately, I have the benefit of having a shitty memory and no library-like file system for retrieval so I don’t know if I’d even know what I’m missing. I do need to convert those KPOWW High-8s to Quicktime…
If I were working with these formats in an archival and\or professional situation I would exhibit more care as I would have more time to dedicate to the act of preserving and would be expected to do so. This end result is different versus my needs as a doofus on the go.
Zep
[quote=Herb Tarlick]
Hey if someone wants to pay me $20 for my Led Zeppelin albums I have one word for them. SOLD!
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Yeah same here with me and my Zep albums. Prices have gone up on used vinyl because some dealers are convinced that just because its a record or its a record by a popular band(like Led Zeppelin)that it must be worth big bucks so they charge some outrageous price for it. True there are some records from the likes like the Beatles and the Stones that can go for big bucks but come on. I suppose soon people will be selling Eagles records for $20 next.
y'all need to come visit
y’all need to come visit bob…
"I suppose soon people will
"I suppose soon people will be selling Eagles records for $20 next."
That’s what I’m talking about Mickey. There’s a record store here in town that sells Elton John and Silver Bucket Band Bob Segar records for $15. I’ve seen this trend at other record stores too. The used vinyl at the store I’m at is priced fairly. I guess what I’m getting at is that used records prices are creeping up to the same proces as new vinyl and new cds. In my mind I’m thinking what’s the point of getting used vinyl? Am I going to pay $11.99 for used copy of "Diver Down"? Hell no. 99 cents. I think paying big bucks for records is bullshit.
but this is the misprint with the flag image in reverse!
Used vinyl prices don’t make sense to me sometimes - I’ve seen some minty ‘60’s LPs at CD Warehouse selling for $2.99-$3.99 a piece when they book way higher (I know, what’s the worth of price guides?). Of course, a lot of "kids" don’t care about Box Tops or Mitch Ryder, but they sure might want some Zep and Sab and Diamond Dave Halen on vinyl. As CG was saying to me about this, it’s all about supply and demand. I guess some kids don’t know how much VH supply is out there.
Of course, maybe I’m wrong and supply’s dwindling. Like with Beatles and Stones records, there were shitloads made, but loads of people want them. Not onyl that, but so many of those records were played to death at parties, fondled, written on, chewed on by fans’ toddlers, that finding decent copies is more of a challenge. Finding Zep LPs in decent condition though, that’s more likely, since stoners were handling the records in slo-mo, not likely there’s gonna be a big dance party happenin’ to "In My Time Of Dying"! Have you ever seen a room rockin’ to "Boogie With Stu"?
The dealers are probably hoping the "kids" never find out about second-hand shops and yard sales.
I think Kapn's right about
I think Kapn’s right about supply and demand in the used vinyl market. There was an article in the U of I newspaper entertainment weekly about a month ago about "classic" and "rare" albums that you must seek out on vinyl. Some records listed were kinda rare like "Lumpy Gravy" but most of what the writer listed were what I considered dollar bin staples like "Cheap Thrills", "Surrealistic Pillow", the first Doors record, etc. I guess these aren’t exactly as common anymore even though millions of copies were sold.
I wonder too if folks new to buying used records are willing to pay higher orices for records because they have no context to how records had been priced throughout the 80s and 90s. Maybe that’s why I see younger record buyers get stoked about a $5 Gordon Lightfoot record.
Well with the Beatles. The
Well with the Beatles. The Rolling Stones and 1960’s R&B there is a big demand for these records in really good shape and thats why they can be expensive.
Also the way prices are set up on used records can be weird. At CD Warehouse they had the first Doors LP for $30. In Goldmine that record goes for $50 mint so it kinda makes sense but at the same time do they think people are really going to pay that much for the Doors!!!!!! Its all about supply and demand and what the consumer wants. The classic rock bands like Zep, Doors, Hendrix and the like will always sell while lesser known folks may or may not sell, depending on who is looking for what.
Inflation across the board...
I don’t think used vinyl is any different than anything else in this economy. Prices for just about everything have been going up for decades. We’re getting fucked…
used books
Some dude looking for graphic novels, etc., at GoodTimes today as I was shelving books, was questioning the up-pricing of books (he used a lot of 50-point words) as taking away the opportunity for those who want to read and learn but can’t afford to. Lots of the "creating a blah blah economic structure blah blah and these books were GIVEN to you blah blah." I have gotten this reaction from other customers, albeit in a much, much less well-spoken and educated (if smarmy) manner ("Four dollars for a BOOK?! I’ll just go over to the Salvation Army then!! I ain’t payin’ no four buck for a BOOK). My thought on this is: This is a charitable organization, a nonprofit. This is NOT the Gospel Mission or a soup kitchen. They don’t price everything else that is GIVEN to them at either 99 cents or $1.99 (like, what, 99 cents for short sleeved, $1.99 for long sleeved? WTF?), so why pick on the books? This guy goes, "Ooh, wow, a new Tom Robbins! … Five DOLLARS?!" I’m like, Jesus Christ, if you fell in love with a $25 shirt that had only been worn one time before being donated, would you balk at paying $4.99 for it? No, you would not. That book is in near-mint condition and was copyrighted in 2005, and nobody donates Tom Robbins hardcovers anyway, let alone a new one. (I didn’t say THAT, though.) Why shouldn’t a nonprofit that sells everything under the sun price books according to their value, as they do with clothing (formal dresses are $20), dishes, jewelry, etc.? OK, I’m a little off-track here (ha ha) from the vinyl discussion, but am I fucking people by doing my job, by asking $6.00 for a hardcover, $32.00 book that came out in 2006? I’ll take your comments off the air.
stuck in time
I wouldn’t say you’re, um, fucking anyone by doing your job. I think it’s just as QN says - things have been going up in price for some time and some of us are adjusted, some not.
I admit I was a little bummed when the prices went from 3 for a dollar for LPs at the Goodwill to 99 cents a piece - but I know the buck I pay is still a bargain. I’m in a position to pay for it, but I suppose people on fixed incomes which haven’t increased substantially for 10-15 years might not be. If they were used to one price fits all for years, different prices for books based on newness, rarity, demand, etc., can be frustrating. We’re working with the public, it’s guaranteed someone will complain about anything.
Since this guy doth protest so much, I suspect he’s an eBayer who’s lookin’ to profit, and "you" cut into his margin. You know where that guy can go to get that Tom Robbins book for less? The LIBRARY. He don’t have to pay for it at all!
My favorite times when I
My favorite times when I visit Woodgill is when I walk in and somebody has a laptop to look up the prices of the books on the internets to see if $3.00 spent can be turned into $10-300. I’m sure the dude who was used to paying $2 for any book is pissed (buy low, sell high) but the people who actually read the fucking books? Look, the book is still there because nobody wants to buy it and sell it on eBay to make a couple bucks profit. That’s awesome.
$1 for records, yeah, I guess. I just buy a lot less than when they were 2 for a buck. Then I would buy stuff that looked cool even if they vinyl was jacked. Now I’ll buy pick up 10-20, put back all but 2. That has been my experience over the past year or so since the price increase. Firestone Crimmus lp’s are priceless, still.
The shit that gets marked up in the used vinyl market, that’s shit that will always sell. A store cannot hold on to a vinyl copy of Zep, Floyd, Doors, AC/DC, Metallica, Sabbath, etc. That shit will go at almost any price. You and I see Zeppelin Runes and say, fuck, that’s a $3 record tops. College kid buys it for $10, it’s been in the bin for a few hours. The store has no more Zeppelin! Maybe it’s my fault, I hoard all of the classic rock staples. Except Supertramp and Triumph.
EXACTLY.
The muthafuckin LIBERRY. In addition to every other Goodwill and thrift store anywhere. The money goes to training people to be employable and help them get paying jobs, or giving them jobs. That guy was not a book dealer, by the way. Just some ponytailed commie pinko with a B.A. I’ve met the book dealers. They don’t try to cover what they are doing. But they do give me the stinkeye and make snide remarks.
I used to like buying books,
I used to like buying books, but then I had to MOVE. Now I own very few books, because I rarely read a book more than once, and if I get the urge I’ll go to the Library cause Libraries ROCK! \m/. But I too am a little bummed about the price increases at that store over the past few years. I understand it, I don’t think badly of them for it, but it used to be like going to a big yard sale, still is. But I buy a lot less because everything is more pricey and I know if I’m dilligent I’ll find what I’m looking for at a real garage sale for a quarter not $5 bucks. Oh, and for the idiots that have garage/yard sales and want big $$$ pffft, I go on down the road or lowball them if I see something I really want. I don’t buy much vinyl but I bought a Wings over America for a quarter a while back and I think it was a Banana Splits 45 for a quarter too. That’s what I’m talking bout. There was a old guy at the busybee flee mall that wanted top $$ for his super shitty vinyl that was full of mold… dude no way, I’m paying a buck tops for that WASP album.
dealer sells own grandmother
My favorite times when I visit Woodgill is when I walk in and somebody has a laptop to look up the prices of the books on the internets to see if $3.00 spent can be turned into $10-300.
I see those guys at the Friends of the Library too, they’re all lined up on Wednesday at quarter to noon, 15 minutes before they open after being closed three days, no shame, I’m sure they’re as assholish to the Friends as they are to everyone else. I’ve seen one guy show up late a couple of times, and just as the door opened he zig-zagged in front of people to get in as soon as possible, nearly knocking someone down!
I just buy a lot less than when they were 2 for a buck. Then I would buy stuff that looked cool even if they vinyl was jacked.
It was nice just to hear something I’d been curious about, regardless of shape.
There was a old guy at the busybee flee mall that wanted top $$ for his super shitty vinyl that was full of mold…
I can never get over that action! I’ll still flip through crap in case there’s something snuck in that managed to stay in good shape, but it astounds me what people think can be sold. Parents are good for thinking that too, "there’s some Eagles records in the basement, dry ‘em out, could be worth a lot of money!" It’s also funny when they ask, "do you think you can transfer them to CD for me?" Which I can, but then I look at the library and presto-chango! They might miss those pops and scratches though. I admit I’m attached to some of my unique vinyl glitches (didn’t we have a thread about that some time ago?).
Ok I just got back from CD
are those doors records
are those doors records audiophile pressings??…hmmmm???
are those doors records
are those doors records audiophile pressings??…hmmmm???
Those do sound like audiophile prices...
If they’re not, then whoever prices vinyl there is an idiot. Sure, used vinyl has gotten more expensive, but those are well beyond New York-San Francisco prices. They’re an aberration, not the norm.
Idiot Customers
Look, it’s the beginning of the fall semester. What better way for Johnny from "Detroit" (white upperclass suburb) to buy instant cool? If I owned the store, I’d bet Johnny would be in eventually.
No Audiophile
[quote=paddle]
are those doors records audiophile pressings??…hmmmm???
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No they are the first stereo pressings from 1967. My guess is that because its the Doors and they are a band that a lot of people like they figure lets see how much a fan is willing to pay. Me personally I think $10 should be the most for Doors first pressings.
close the gatdamned doors!
Ugh. What a stupid band. Even if Morrison WAS the buzzard of doom bringin’ the message to the dirty people.
I couldnt agree
I couldnt agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was in high school I thought the Doors were the coolest thing but now they just annoy me. Even when I liked the Doors the obsessive fans who thought Morrison was the second coming of Christ bothered me. To me his so called poetry just sounds like drugged out rambling.
" To me his so called poetry
" To me his so called poetry just sounds like drugged out rambling"
This is exactly why the literary and rock’n’roll worlds should keep the hell away from each other. Rockers can’t shouldn’t write. Rock’n’roll comes from the armpit and crotch not the brain.
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" To me his so called poetry just sounds like drugged out rambling"
This is exactly why the literary and rock’n’roll worlds should keep the hell away from each other. Rockers can’t shouldn’t write. Rock’n’roll comes from the armpit and crotch not the brain.
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i agree to an extent….but ….but…well alright….crotchity rock without deoderant is where its at….im thinking ac/dc…..
The Doors had some stunning
The Doors had some stunning and beautiful POP singles (Touch Me, Light My Fire, and Riders on the Storm come to mind) but both the poetry and the FM angle (like LA Woman) make me want to cringe.
Rock'n'roll comes from the
Rock’n’roll comes from the armpit and crotch not the brain.
This seems incredibly limiting. What about Pere Ubu, This Heat, Throbbing Gristle, Animal Collective, Eno, Roxy Music, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Joy Division, Magazine, Homosexuals, a lot of Kinks, on, on, and on…?
Secondly, if you do really believe this, then how can you NOT like the Doors? The guy flashed his cock to young girls and wrote a song called "Touch Me." The band epitomizes rock-as-sex.
To me his so called poetry just sounds like drugged out rambling.
A lot of poetry does.
English Majors Know
The problem I’ve with the Doors being seen as a serious arty band lead by a mystic poet is that it seems like the intellectual posing used to get in a smart girl’s pants.
I think that if The Doors'
I think that if The Doors’ albums had gone mostly unheard, then all of a sudden somebody reissued them today like they did with the Pretty Things stuff a few years ago, even you haters would have to admit that there was a lot of great, great music on those records.
That said, I haven’t actually wanted to spin a Doors LP in more than a decade.
45
[quote=tree]That said, I haven’t actually wanted to spin a Doors LP in more than a decade.[/quote]
I’ll tell you what though, my 45 of Riders on the Storm hits the turntable at least once a year.
Morrison's a punk!
The Doors were an excellent singles band - I’m surprised that in all the decades of Doors compilation overload, no collection has focused on the original mono singles, A’s and B’s.
I think the fan-cult of the Doors are more to blame for the Doors hype than the original lineup, though Maanzarek and Sugerman certainly fueled the legend after Morrison died. As it was in my school daze, reading No One Here Gets Out Alive is practically a required rite of passage in high school, and now you’ve got that damn awful Oliver Stone film as an additional influence. Jimbo never got beyond his mid-20’s, so anyone who expects his "poetry" to have been better than that of yer average English lit major is missing the point. While Morrison aspired to be a poet on the level of Baudelaire or Yeats, he himself never claimed he was that good, just trying. It’s the cult that thrust his work, on record and on paper, upon a far taller pedestal than one he would have used.
In many regards, Morrison was totally punk. Though he let it happen early on, he disliked his image being emphasized over the other Doors’ on later album covers - though he made concessions to shave his beard for the Morrison Hotel shoot, he let himself go for L.A. Woman (slumping down to make himself shorter), and he protested superimpositions of his photo towering over band shots on 13 and Absolutely Live!. He defied Sullivan and sang uncensored lyrics to "Light My Fire" on live TV. He heckled cops from the stage. He refused to let a car company use one of his songs for an ad. He wore black leather. He galvanized Iggy Pop. The Doors may be overrated (though I rate Strange Days as one of ‘67’s finest), but because of that, it’s possible Morrison is underrated, maybe not so much as a performer but as a rock and roll force.
And if you made Doors albums only available on vinyl, that’s what would get the kids to buy records again.
all right.
You’re right. I really just hate Ray Frackin’ manzarek. Even if he DID produce a most excellent X album.
"Rock'n'roll comes from the
"Rock’n’roll comes from the armpit and crotch not the brain.
This seems incredibly limiting. What about Pere Ubu, This Heat, Throbbing Gristle, Animal Collective, Eno, Roxy Music, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Joy Division, Magazine, Homosexuals, a lot of Kinks, on, on, and on…?"
I don’t wholeheartedly abide by what I wrote. Tongue in cheeck reactionary statement. What I was getting at is that most attempts by musicians to contribute to the poetry/literary world ends up being pretty dang stinky.