So dumb they make me smile - Mick Jones’ two notes over and over again at the end of “Cheat” (UK “Clash” ‘77 or 10” “Black Market Clash”)… also the poorly started, poorly intoned solo on the Seeds’ “Pushin’ Too Hard”.
If its the latter then I vote for David Gilmore's solo on "Comfortably Numb" You tell me Gilmore isnt one of the most Useless(no pun inteded there UE) humans on the plantet. Anytime Kurt Cobain picked up his guitar, sheeeez
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Mon, 05/15/2006 - 9:28pm.
Mickey, I will tell you that “Gilmore (Gilmour) isn’t one of the most useless humans on the planet. I’ll take Gilmour-era Floyd over Barrett-era. Sure, the first two Floyd singles and the Piper LP is great, but I prefer A Saucerful of Secrets, Ummagumma, and Atom Heart Mother. The shit is way more far out, intense, and unique.
“Anytime Kurt Cobain picked up his guitar”
Dude, better stick to the garage rock. You’re outta yer element here.
Submitted by esteban on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 12:50am.
come on, as hendrix said "this goes out to anyone with hearts and ears"
first of all, whether you like it or not, you can hum along to every one of the gilmour solos on the classic rock hits, 'wish you were here', 'another brick in the wall', 'shine on you crazy diamond', 'eclipse'…
second, you know it's him when you first hear that sound…how many guitar players can claim that? i think that's quite an accomplishment, to have that 'signature sound'…whether it's due to over-saturation on the radio or whatever…there's still no mistaking it's gilmour.
third, the obscure ones…'one of these days', 'fearless'…hell even 'on the turning away' is fairly epic…and i agree about atom heart and saucerful of secrets…
and the second solo on 'comfortably numb'…that little skwawk that starts it off…who knows, maybe they did fifty takes to get that right, but, thank god, they had the time, money (excuse the puns) and indulgence to get that right, because it's great.
The best stupidest song ever is The Briefs cover of The Kinks "Come Dancing". As John Hippity Hoppite said about it "It's the stupidest possible cover of the stupidest Kinks song". Once you hear it and if you don't think it's the stupidest stupid song then you're stupid, stupid. For you literal minded people out there, it's a great cover.
Submitted by Etaoin Shrdlu on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 9:26am.
anyone mind if I help turn this into a Floyd thread? ha!
anyway, yes, Gilmour's sound is distinctively his own. And as Justin pointed out, the post-Syd stuff (and pre-Dark Side, IMHO) lies the soul of the Christ. I mean, you can get pretty far out there with Echoes, no?
He's doing the ENTIRE Dark Side on tour now. A friend of mine checked ticket prices: starting at $170 for the nosebleed seats and going well over $500 for the front row-type seats. Man, can you IMAGINE the shit-eating grin on Waters' face when he's singing Money??? CANYOU? That rules. 3,000 BMWs parked out in the lot, 3,000 screaming lawyers and doctors all wearing $55 tour shirts… Hats off to Mr. Waters!
Submitted by Herb Tarlick on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 9:31am.
Actually I have heard the two note Mick Jones solo style (it is on some other British punk songs, I am thinking maybe the Buzzcocks 'Fast Cars' as one) called the 'English siren' solo.
Also, the solo on 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' is BEAUTIFUL. Mickey, maybe you should actually try listening to a Nirvana record sometime.
I love love love the one note solo on XTC's "Love AT First Sight". Does this belong in this thread or the great solos thread? I don't know. Probably the brilliant side.
So dumb it's great—can't deny the idiot breakdown in the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie". Broken drum break, retardo guitar solo, singer comes in wrong and steps back away from the microphone, and they keep it as the best recording anyway. Excellent.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 11:37am.
For me, when it comes to so silly-dumb it's great, I'll go with just about every Tommy James single. The dude was a master at lightweight psych-pop and garage.
Submitted by Uncle Arthur on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 11:51am.
Give me a choice, either listen to the original “Louie Louie” or the entire “Dark Side of the Moon” for a week over and over, and I’d choose “Louie Louie.”
I did an interview with the guy who was with the band then (they were playing the Portage bandshell around 2004, kinda lame but they actually covered the Wailers at the end). He said the singer was so bad that the engineer had him further and further away from the mic, until he was just yelling at it. Also, he had a toothache, so we had a bad singer, yelling at the microphone, in pain, trying to sing the Jamaican dialect of the original song which he hadn’t fully learned anyway. To cap off the joke, the federal government investigates the song to see if it was obscene. And that hint that the song was dirty made it a hit, and a true American classic, to be ranked up there with the works of Mozart and Bach.
The solos at the Pink Floyd Laser Light Show (tm) are very colorful and jump out at you. Much cheaper than the reunion tours and the fucking Back Doors might headline!!
Worst guitar solos? Ah, now we're talking. The Trend "Band Aid" wow, those kids didn't need any stinkeen guitar lessons. When people are trying to do their best, and when their best sounds 1,000,000 times removed from Santana, that's Pure Gold. I love that solo on "Fast Cars" and "Louie, Louie" and no slouch either.
"He said the singer was so bad that the engineer had him further and further away from the mic, until he was just yelling at it."
Why, I assume that engineer is the famous Kearney Barton, who's still alive and recording in the hamster warren of a home where he recorded the Sonics and the Wailers. F & M got to cut some stuff there, and came back with stories of Kearney's dismissal of Don and The Goodtimes as "Don and the Waste Of Times"…he also dissed mightily on those little snots The Standells, who apparently arrived from Hollywood with a trunkfull of equipment and shitty attitude. He sprays all visiting artists with an aerosol can labelled "INSTANTTALENT" and, upon a certain blond frontman's insistence on take after take of a lumbering harmonica solo, finally said "Um…can someone just go in there and tell him it's not going to get any better?" S…dusty was also delighted to tell me that Kearney gave them cookies. There's a nice picture of Kap'n in a swing in Kearney's yard, as I recall. Dusty says the house is full of empty toilet paper tubes.
Mickey only likes gayrage rock? That's cold. Mickey's true musical love is 50's and 60's rock'n'roll, doowop, soul, and stuff like that. Ask him about the Girl Groups (tm) that aren't on the box set he bought. Gayrage. He's in tune with the Sonics, Wailers, Sam The Sham, Seeds, Music Machine, shit like that. Then comes the AC/DC and Metallica.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 12:37pm.
Mickey, the Dead? The Pie? I haven't listened to that shit in months. I traded all my Dick's Picks for VG+ copies of Animal Boy and Halfway to Sanity — total classics.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 1:07pm.
Tell me about this Oblivions band. I am not familiar with them. But hell, if you think this Deadhead/Pieface is gonna dig them then they gotta have some sweet jams. Do they sound like a lo fi distillation of Pussy Galore and the Gibson Bros with a touch of gritty southern r&b? Is Soul Food have a neon orange cover with a version of "Viet Nam War Blues" on it? Did the group once release a live "bootleg" with a xeroxed cover? Do I have the band's "Pill Popper" single? Huh!
"Pill Popper" isn't so good and I guess the guy who released that keeps releasing it every few years or so even after they ask him nicely to stop. The churchy shit with Mr. Quintron is awesome. Ah, Trio covers.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 1:21pm.
For the Oblivions- I'll go with that live bootleg. It's more fucked up and noisy than anything else they did — total destruction noise blues shit. Then again, I was all hot for the Oblivions back during them Soul Food days; I bought all their crap. But looking back on it, I don't think the Oblivions were nearly as "out there" and radical as Pussy Galore who fused industrial, SY, no wave, and garage rock.
That organ soul shtick w/Quintron is kind of silly. I lost interest when Quintron got less freaky/industrial/primitive and developed into this preacher/tonic salesman persona. I dig his first two jams the best. The grooves on Internal Feedback are off the wall. I mean, the infomercial stuff is fun conceptual art type stuff, but the laters records aren't nearly as off the wall.
Ex-Oblivians, Reigning Sound, other Memphis musicians are rehearsing with Arthur Lee (and supposedly Johnny Echols), making plans to tour and even record this summer as Love. Most of the aforementioned “classic rock” guitarists play too well to make dumb guitar solos, though they have been known to play shit for music. I think they generate so much hatred since one or two of the songs out of EVERYTHING they ever did gets so overplayed, eventually a lot of reactions lead from “fuckin’ Frampton” to “fuckin’ Frampton sucks” to “fuckin’ Frampton’s playing sucks”. Oh, and I think Frampton’s voicebox solo on “Show Me the Way” is another great dumb solo (please don’t hurl on me Peter).
Submitted by Uncle Arthur on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 2:17pm.
If we’re all showin’ eachother how big our dicks are, I’m gonna have ta tell how I saw the Oblivians in Quintron’s basement club, 9th Ward NOLA, 1997. That’s how big my dick is.
… I'd like to offer you Turn Up The Radio by Autograph as one of the dumbest solos ever. Actually, it's both dumb and funny. Just listen to it.
Actually, I just want to steer this away from the Oblivians. I can't really explain why, but their songs didn't move me and their emotion never came through. It all sounded contrived and a little bland.
I mean, I'm not trying to start another Civil War here …
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Tue, 05/16/2006 - 5:30pm.
Agreed, Nathan. The Oblivions are yesterday's papers.
Dingey, I don't have a dick either. I lost it in the war.
Now as for dumb-silly axe solos and hair metal, Hanoi Rocks debut is loaded with 'em: a perfect fusion of NY Dolls, cocaine, and Swedish angular freakery. I always thought Vince Neil killed H.R.'s drummer on purpose because he was so damn jealous of the better band, which leads me to great silly-dumb solos all over the Crue's first LP, Too Fast for Love. What a jam.
Submitted by Ms. Info on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 8:05am.
I do believe the former Hanoi Rocks guitarist was filling in for Johnny Thunders when the NY Dolls played at Detroit’s Tastefest last summer. Lots of make-up, hair and spangles.
Submitted by Mr. Jass on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 8:37am.
My friend Lincoln who worked at the State Teatro moons ago tells THE best Peter Frampton story ever. He was working as the runner for the theater–kinda of a gofer, I suppose. His duty the night Frampton played was to wait outside the stage door with the car to drive Pete to the Knights Inn by Wings Stadium. While he was waiting there, a couple o' cheeky little honeys kept buggin him…"you're waiting for Peter, aren't you?". He spurned their advances and focused on the job at hand. When Frampton finished the show he walked out, got into the car with Link and they split. The broads were still there and began to follow. They pulled up next to Link and Pete at the next light and motioned Peter to roll down his window–which he did. One girl bellowed earnestly—"Don't stop Peter…. don't EVER stop!!!!". Peter looked at them sullenly, pointed at the light and said: "But it was red".
Submitted by Herb Tarlick on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 8:53am.
I met some of the Oblivian guys at the record store in Memphis and they were super nice guys and Goner was a great store. I bought an Oblivians record, as I recall I think I got one or two of the guys to sign it for me.
I really tried to like it but I didn't really get it. Like so much of the newer punk and garage stuff I have heard, it was difficult for me to connect with it. They didn't seem to be particularly great musicians (and Tim, before you bring up the Metal Teeth one thing I see in them is CHOPS) and I didn't hear anything particularly mind-blowing there. It was just OK.
well Senior The Oblivians will never be as good as Violent Appathy but they try, however both you guys and The Oblivians are better than Scooter & The Worms
I just listend to "Popular Favorites" by the Oblivians again to make sure that I still like it, still top notch and shelf. During the 90's there wasn't a whole lot of rock'n'roll for me to get excited about except for the stuff Crypt and Rip Off and Goner were putting out. I get down on my knees with praying hands for: Guitar Wolf, Teengenerate, The Gories, The Mummies, NBT's, The Devil Dogs, The Cosmic Psychos, Supercharger, The Dwarves and of course The Oblivians.
The 90's, as I remember it, were still fucking full of post-punk, emo, and indie rock bullshit, those were the majority of shows and the majority of the music offered here in Kalamazoo as well as Detroit and Chicago, the places where we'd spend the most time looking for good times.
Most of you with a distaste for the Oblivians are about a decade older than me, so what groups in the 80's would have been making that fun, loud, out of tune good times rock'n'roll? Chesterfield Kings, nice hair-helmets, check, a little limp. Or are the mid to late 70's and the early 60's the only time periods this music was vital?
Oooh yeah, Fleshtones. I should dig out their 3 lp's I got. Lime Spiders from Australia, "Slave Girl" is nasty. Cramps started out in the late 70's, and are still going now, but "Songs The Lord Taught Us" did come out in 1980, and The Mummies started in 1989, so Mickey, you're right, but that ain't right.
Submitted by Uncle Arthur on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 1:25pm.
That’s the dealy-do, that the Oblivians were a godsend in the 1990s. I remember hearing roommate K*ll* *rg*** playing “Soul Food” in the last group home I lived in (before allowed to live on my own), and I thought it was more of that lo-fi muddled sloppy stuff that wasn’t special. But the only thing around that time that I was getting into was the Squirrely Nut Zips and non-rock music of 30 years before and earlier (lounge/swing).
Where was the rock and the roll? Should I turn to up and coming acts such as Korn? M. Manson? Blechh. Or fruggin Hooty and his Blowfish? Brachh.
I had been a teen listening to the Ramones, a cosmopolitan college man listening to John Zorn, a freak into the Boredoms, and here I was excited about Esquivel (rightly so, I still think), but I was missing the rock. Something pushed me over the edge, and I couldn’t stop listening to the Oblivians (as well as some of the JS Blues Ex., Mummies, noisy stuff) for the last half of the 1990s.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 3:51pm.
Most of you with a distaste for the Oblivians are about a decade older than me, so what groups in the 80's would have been making that fun, loud, out of tune good times rock'n'roll?
I am a 90s kid, but as for the 80s garage/lo fi scum, two of my all time faves are Pussy Galore and the Gibson Bros. As I said before, the thing about P.G. that I love is their fusion of garage, no wave, and industrial. I really dig when bands cross borders in such novel ways. Take 45 Grave for example, what a band, crossing the lines drawn between garage, hardcore punk, and fuckin' goth. Sweet.
I've never been a big Chesterfield Kings fan, but I do love a lot of the L.A. punk/roots music: first Flesheaters LP, early Cramps shit, Gun Club, etc.
And any mention of this kind of music requires talking about the Cheater Slicks whom I dig because the group added the extended VU drone and a ragged Crazy Horse vibe to its garage. They also wrote some decent angst-driven lyrics.
Monsieur Jeffrey Evans is the fooking bedrock!
What other bands at the time were turning my crank more (late 80’s/early 90’s)? We did a little review at our house to refresh our aging heads:
Gibson Bros
Bass Holes
jack O Fire
and have we all forgotten thee Mighty Billy Childish?! Boy got th hunch no matter whut! Whut? Whut? Most of his stuff (though it gets same-ish, too), always sounded louder, looser and more rocking and intuitive than the other boys. LIKE A RUSTYHOOOK! YEAH! RUSTYHOOKBABY! I really really loved some of the various Hangman side projects by other band members, too. is anybody else here in love with The Kravin’ A’s? MAN, that’s a great record! And that live release by the Prisoners?! holy CRAP! i think they became a loungy band later in their existence, but there’s a hangman one side singles/one side live collection that’s NUTS.
Jesus H. with a Silvertone, how'd I forget Chilly Bildish. Thee Milkshakes, Thee Mighty Caesars, and Thee Headcoats, they were all from the 80's, slap my hershed mouth.
Cheater Slicks and Oblivians seem from the same good times for me. The Oblivians are about drinkin cheap beers and havin a good catchy time, the Cheater Slicks are about getting whiskey dick and piss fucking your backseat. The Cheater Slicks are always off, in a good weird way, some demonic Kesslers throb goes on in their good music for me.
Justin, you check old dude from 45 Grave's first band The Consumers? About 1/2 of the songs on the first 45 Grave lp are from the Arizona band The Consumers. Sounds like the Pagans sped up with more hate and guitar sound on BLAST. I found out about the Consumers years before 45 Grave, so it's really weird to hear those songs with Dynah Cancer singing them.
Motherfuck, I don't own any Gun Club (downloaded) nor any Gibson Brothers lps. Keep an eye out.
Submitted by esteban on Wed, 05/17/2006 - 11:46pm.
thank god for slash…
who in their right mind wouldn't want to play like that? and that goes for the beloved oblivions…kesslers and cheap beer aint no match for coke and sweet sweet H.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 11:44am.
The Consumers' shit is great, and the amazing thing about them is how good they were for an entire album. They ain't just a one-hit KBD thing.
Slicks and Oblivions do channel similar shit. I would say the Slicks have more of a downer vibe going. I also dig how they can jam a single tune for about 15 minutes. That's one of the reasons why I dug them so. They drifted into white noise freak out and Cowgirl in the Sand wandering desolation. Useless, I can burn you the first Gibson Bros LP, which is where it all started a stone cold classic. This record is near impossible to find. But if you find any of the singles from the early 90s then snatch 'em up.
Like Hendrix studying Buddy Guy's solos, The Gibsons and the Slicks are the groups Spencer was taking notes on when he was a fuckin' kid. I don't know why I mention that. I haven't listened to a Spencer recording since 93 or 94.
Slash indeed rules. But I would take the tandem Slash and Izzy (who had that groove down). Holy shit. What a fuckin' insane pair of axemen.
Do any of you 45 Grave fans like the "Hell Comes To Your House" comp? I love that record. Side 1 - cool synth-goth-punk. Side 2 - snotty-trashy punk. My favorite cut on the record is Redd Kross' cover of Puss'n'Boots.
I always thought Lost Sounds had a lot of 45 Grave vibe.
ayup, the Consumers demos sound really good and it is an album, something hard for any band to pull off specially the KBD hits when you're only looking at maybe 2 punkers from a 1st single before their 2nd single when they went wave and their 3rd single when they were trying to be REM.
The Blues Explosion was fun for the "Crypt Style" lp, there's some fun noisy stuff on there, "Extra Width" is good times as well. Still fun to yell "too much!!" and "Judah Bauer!!" and "Roy Rodgers Roast Beef-a sandwich!" at strangers throughout the day.
I'd love to hear the first Gibson Bros. lp. If you send me that I've got some goodness to sweeten your ears. You have any of the holy trinity of Belgian 1977 lps? The Kids, Hubble Bubble, and Raxola?
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 12:14pm.
Yeah, that's a cool comp. And if that kind of stuff is your thing then check in with Jay Hinman at http://agonyshorthand.blogspot.com/. Jay did the Superdope zine, and he is a fuckin' gatekeeper when it comes to 80s West Coast freakery as well as the whole Gibson Bros/Cheater Slicks stuff. But he also knows a wealth of knowledge about rare KBD kulture and even noisy Monoshock kind of shit.
This is the first Gibson Bros LP. It came out in the late 80s and the bros had been rockin since like '84. They were so far ahead of the curve that it's utterly astounding.
Off the subject a bit (but hell we are far off it to begin with), do you duders like the whole world of Jim Shephard: Vertical Slit and V-3? He was tight with both the Gibsons and the Cheater Slicks, but he was a total post-Joy Division, lo-fi noise and Vandergraaf indie freakoid. Under a Blood Red Lava Lamp is one of the most harrowing post-punk records ever, recorded live in a basement and the tape is totally warped to hell but it all makes sense.
PLUS, I would love to hear that Belgian stuff. I have a couple comps but nothing substantial.
Submitted by Herb Tarlick on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 12:38pm.
"The 90's, as I remember it, were still fucking full of post-punk, emo, and indie rock bullshit."
I like a lot of that 'bullshit'. Hearing bands and artists in the 1990s such as Pavement, Sebadoh, Stereolab, Meat Beat Manifesto, Guided by Voices, PJ Harvey, Nation of Ulysses, Blonde Redhead, Unrest, Tortoise, Trans Am, Yo La Tengo, Unwound, and many many others (even Nivarna) made the punk rock ghetto a pretty unsatisfying place for me. I did like the early Jon Spencer stuff though. However, like anything that is a rehash of the past rather than a representation of original thought and movement, Spencer rather quickly (like most punk and garage seems to me when extended over time) became little more than a parody of himself. I would have to say that at some point the movement toward self-parody that permeates punk (remember me and others trying to explain about how the Ramones, Clash, and Sex Pistols actually truly were revolutionary in their time?) means that the bands that moved on (by definition, 'post-punk') were often more exciting than the bands doing the punk moves over and over again.
The question is though: why do some people seem to hate a lot of independent rock so much? Is it too 'girly'? Too collegiate? Just plain too boring? I'm interested in all y'all's thoughts on this.
Submitted by QuantumNoise on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 12:47pm.
I would add these things to S.D's 90s list: Siltbreeze records, Japanese noise and psych kultur (Haino to Mainliner to High Rise), Boredoms, New Zealand noise and the Dead C, Flaming Lips, BlackJack Records, Icky Boyfriends, Bulb Records, Load Records, early 90s AmRep, Quintron, No-Neck Blues Band, Drive Like Jehu, Gravity Records, Chicago freakery (Scissor Girls and some Skin Graft stuff), early 90s death metal (Deicide, Obituary), early 90s techno….just off the top of my head.
You know me, Senor. I like me some indie rock. After all, I married that poseur that quit being a toxic punk to make fag music with that stupid college rock Sinatras band. (Selll out!) Anyways, in the 80's, i was into all the Slash/SST/Homestead stuff mostly. And Talking Heads. Etc.
Anyway, I just wanted to weigh in and say that I hadn't never heard o' no Gibson Bros prior to my employemtn at FR. I remember Scott pulling this weird album out of the racks. The record had a ridiculous cover that looked like a small-town white gospel group that went to K-mart to have their special group photy-graff taken in front of the autumnal backdrop. Unbelievable! The one dude's eyes are even kinda crossed! The clothes—total goodwill chic poly-blend go to church wear. "Man! What the hell is THIS?! Doesn't this belong in gospel or country or somethin instead of Rock?"
D. W*ite: "Oh, that's a great record. You haven't heard of the Gibson Brothers? You should put that on right now! Man! What on earth do you LISTEN to, anyway?…."
is this dumb as in good or
is this dumb as in good or dumb as in awful?
If its the latter then I vote for David Gilmore's solo on "Comfortably Numb" You tell me Gilmore isnt one of the most Useless(no pun inteded there UE) humans on the plantet. Anytime Kurt Cobain picked up his guitar, sheeeez
I'll Take Gilmour over...
“Anytime Kurt Cobain picked up his guitar”
Dude, better stick to the garage rock. You’re outta yer element here.
Gilmour is GOD
come on, as hendrix said "this goes out to anyone with hearts and ears"
first of all, whether you like it or not, you can hum along to every one of the gilmour solos on the classic rock hits, 'wish you were here', 'another brick in the wall', 'shine on you crazy diamond', 'eclipse'…
second, you know it's him when you first hear that sound…how many guitar players can claim that? i think that's quite an accomplishment, to have that 'signature sound'…whether it's due to over-saturation on the radio or whatever…there's still no mistaking it's gilmour.
third, the obscure ones…'one of these days', 'fearless'…hell even 'on the turning away' is fairly epic…and i agree about atom heart and saucerful of secrets…
and the second solo on 'comfortably numb'…that little skwawk that starts it off…who knows, maybe they did fifty takes to get that right, but, thank god, they had the time, money (excuse the puns) and indulgence to get that right, because it's great.
The best stupidest song ever
anyone mind if I help turn
anyone mind if I help turn this into a Floyd thread? ha!
anyway, yes, Gilmour's sound is distinctively his own. And as Justin pointed out, the post-Syd stuff (and pre-Dark Side, IMHO) lies the soul of the Christ. I mean, you can get pretty far out there with Echoes, no?
And, to continue driving this thread OT:
anyone see this: http://www.roger-waters.com/
He's doing the ENTIRE Dark Side on tour now. A friend of mine checked ticket prices: starting at $170 for the nosebleed seats and going well over $500 for the front row-type seats. Man, can you IMAGINE the shit-eating grin on Waters' face when he's singing Money??? CAN YOU? That rules. 3,000 BMWs parked out in the lot, 3,000 screaming lawyers and doctors all wearing $55 tour shirts… Hats off to Mr. Waters!
Actually I have heard the
Actually I have heard the two note Mick Jones solo style (it is on some other British punk songs, I am thinking maybe the Buzzcocks 'Fast Cars' as one) called the 'English siren' solo.
Also, the solo on 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' is BEAUTIFUL. Mickey, maybe you should actually try listening to a Nirvana record sometime.
dumbly brilliant
I love love love the one note solo on XTC's "Love AT First Sight". Does this belong in this thread or the great solos thread? I don't know. Probably the brilliant side.
So dumb it's great—can't deny the idiot breakdown in the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie". Broken drum break, retardo guitar solo, singer comes in wrong and steps back away from the microphone, and they keep it as the best recording anyway. Excellent.
Tommy James
Give me a choice, either
I did an interview with the guy who was with the band then (they were playing the Portage bandshell around 2004, kinda lame but they actually covered the Wailers at the end). He said the singer was so bad that the engineer had him further and further away from the mic, until he was just yelling at it. Also, he had a toothache, so we had a bad singer, yelling at the microphone, in pain, trying to sing the Jamaican dialect of the original song which he hadn’t fully learned anyway. To cap off the joke, the federal government investigates the song to see if it was obscene. And that hint that the song was dirty made it a hit, and a true American classic, to be ranked up there with the works of Mozart and Bach.
Got any weed? The solos at
Got any weed?
The solos at the Pink Floyd Laser Light Show (tm) are very colorful and jump out at you. Much cheaper than the reunion tours and the fucking Back Doors might headline!!
When you guys get done talking about The Floyd, how about we go for something a little more obscure like The Eagles, Michael Jackson, Billy Joel or Garth Brooks? First person to namedrop Meatloaf gets seconds.
Worst guitar solos? Ah, now we're talking. The Trend "Band Aid" wow, those kids didn't need any stinkeen guitar lessons. When people are trying to do their best, and when their best sounds 1,000,000 times removed from Santana, that's Pure Gold. I love that solo on "Fast Cars" and "Louie, Louie" and no slouch either.
haaa
"He said the singer was so bad that the engineer had him further and further away from the mic, until he was just yelling at it."
Why, I assume that engineer is the famous Kearney Barton, who's still alive and recording in the hamster warren of a home where he recorded the Sonics and the Wailers. F & M got to cut some stuff there, and came back with stories of Kearney's dismissal of Don and The Goodtimes as "Don and the Waste Of Times"…he also dissed mightily on those little snots The Standells, who apparently arrived from Hollywood with a trunkfull of equipment and shitty attitude. He sprays all visiting artists with an aerosol can labelled "INSTANT TALENT" and, upon a certain blond frontman's insistence on take after take of a lumbering harmonica solo, finally said "Um…can someone just go in there and tell him it's not going to get any better?" S…dusty was also delighted to tell me that Kearney gave them cookies. There's a nice picture of Kap'n in a swing in Kearney's yard, as I recall. Dusty says the house is full of empty toilet paper tubes.
Justin you stick to your
For your information Violent
Mickey
Deadly Bear Pie?
Mickey, the Dead? The Pie? I haven't listened to that shit in months. I traded all my Dick's Picks for VG+ copies of Animal Boy and Halfway to Sanity — total classics.
Hey…we're now simpatico.
Justin, I'm sure Mickey
Andy Warhol?
Who is Andy Warhol?
Justin get a copy of The
Justin get a copy of The Oblivians Soul Food or Popular Favorites you'll feel better and ty Useless
Oblivions?
Tell me about this Oblivions band. I am not familiar with them. But hell, if you think this Deadhead/Pieface is gonna dig them then they gotta have some sweet jams. Do they sound like a lo fi distillation of Pussy Galore and the Gibson Bros with a touch of gritty southern r&b? Is Soul Food have a neon orange cover with a version of "Viet Nam War Blues" on it? Did the group once release a live "bootleg" with a xeroxed cover? Do I have the band's "Pill Popper" single? Huh!
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Live Bootleg
For the Oblivions- I'll go with that live bootleg. It's more fucked up and noisy than anything else they did — total destruction noise blues shit. Then again, I was all hot for the Oblivions back during them Soul Food days; I bought all their crap. But looking back on it, I don't think the Oblivions were nearly as "out there" and radical as Pussy Galore who fused industrial, SY, no wave, and garage rock.
That organ soul shtick w/Quintron is kind of silly. I lost interest when Quintron got less freaky/industrial/primitive and developed into this preacher/tonic salesman persona. I dig his first two jams the best. The grooves on Internal Feedback are off the wall. I mean, the infomercial stuff is fun conceptual art type stuff, but the laters records aren't nearly as off the wall.
Que Vida
If we're all showin'
Prosthetic
That's a prosthetic, totally.
Not to get the hell out of Memphis, but ...
… I'd like to offer you Turn Up The Radio by Autograph as one of the dumbest solos ever. Actually, it's both dumb and funny. Just listen to it.
Actually, I just want to steer this away from the Oblivians. I can't really explain why, but their songs didn't move me and their emotion never came through. It all sounded contrived and a little bland.
I mean, I'm not trying to start another Civil War here …
ibid.
Oblivious to the Oblivions
Agreed, Nathan. The Oblivions are yesterday's papers.
Dingey, I don't have a dick either. I lost it in the war.
Now as for dumb-silly axe solos and hair metal, Hanoi Rocks debut is loaded with 'em: a perfect fusion of NY Dolls, cocaine, and Swedish angular freakery. I always thought Vince Neil killed H.R.'s drummer on purpose because he was so damn jealous of the better band, which leads me to great silly-dumb solos all over the Crue's first LP, Too Fast for Love. What a jam.
H.R.
framp
I met some of the Oblivian
I met some of the Oblivian guys at the record store in Memphis and they were super nice guys and Goner was a great store. I bought an Oblivians record, as I recall I think I got one or two of the guys to sign it for me.
I really tried to like it but I didn't really get it. Like so much of the newer punk and garage stuff I have heard, it was difficult for me to connect with it. They didn't seem to be particularly great musicians (and Tim, before you bring up the Metal Teeth one thing I see in them is CHOPS) and I didn't hear anything particularly mind-blowing there. It was just OK.
well Senior The Oblivians
I just listend to "Popular
I just listend to "Popular Favorites" by the Oblivians again to make sure that I still like it, still top notch and shelf. During the 90's there wasn't a whole lot of rock'n'roll for me to get excited about except for the stuff Crypt and Rip Off and Goner were putting out. I get down on my knees with praying hands for: Guitar Wolf, Teengenerate, The Gories, The Mummies, NBT's, The Devil Dogs, The Cosmic Psychos, Supercharger, The Dwarves and of course The Oblivians.
The 90's, as I remember it, were still fucking full of post-punk, emo, and indie rock bullshit, those were the majority of shows and the majority of the music offered here in Kalamazoo as well as Detroit and Chicago, the places where we'd spend the most time looking for good times.
Most of you with a distaste for the Oblivians are about a decade older than me, so what groups in the 80's would have been making that fun, loud, out of tune good times rock'n'roll? Chesterfield Kings, nice hair-helmets, check, a little limp. Or are the mid to late 70's and the early 60's the only time periods this music was vital?
The Mummies, The Fleshtones,
Oooh yeah, Fleshtones. I
That's the dealy-do, that
Where was the rock and the roll? Should I turn to up and coming acts such as Korn? M. Manson? Blechh. Or fruggin Hooty and his Blowfish? Brachh.
I had been a teen listening to the Ramones, a cosmopolitan college man listening to John Zorn, a freak into the Boredoms, and here I was excited about Esquivel (rightly so, I still think), but I was missing the rock. Something pushed me over the edge, and I couldn’t stop listening to the Oblivians (as well as some of the JS Blues Ex., Mummies, noisy stuff) for the last half of the 1990s.
I forgot the Lyres for 80's
Pussy Galore!!!!!!!!!!!
Most of you with a distaste for the Oblivians are about a decade older than me, so what groups in the 80's would have been making that fun, loud, out of tune good times rock'n'roll?
I am a 90s kid, but as for the 80s garage/lo fi scum, two of my all time faves are Pussy Galore and the Gibson Bros. As I said before, the thing about P.G. that I love is their fusion of garage, no wave, and industrial. I really dig when bands cross borders in such novel ways. Take 45 Grave for example, what a band, crossing the lines drawn between garage, hardcore punk, and fuckin' goth. Sweet.
I've never been a big Chesterfield Kings fan, but I do love a lot of the L.A. punk/roots music: first Flesheaters LP, early Cramps shit, Gun Club, etc.
And any mention of this kind of music requires talking about the Cheater Slicks whom I dig because the group added the extended VU drone and a ragged Crazy Horse vibe to its garage. They also wrote some decent angst-driven lyrics.
oui! oui!
Jesus H. with a Silvertone,
Jesus H. with a Silvertone, how'd I forget Chilly Bildish. Thee Milkshakes, Thee Mighty Caesars, and Thee Headcoats, they were all from the 80's, slap my hershed mouth.
Cheater Slicks and Oblivians seem from the same good times for me. The Oblivians are about drinkin cheap beers and havin a good catchy time, the Cheater Slicks are about getting whiskey dick and piss fucking your backseat. The Cheater Slicks are always off, in a good weird way, some demonic Kesslers throb goes on in their good music for me.
Justin, you check old dude from 45 Grave's first band The Consumers? About 1/2 of the songs on the first 45 Grave lp are from the Arizona band The Consumers. Sounds like the Pagans sped up with more hate and guitar sound on BLAST. I found out about the Consumers years before 45 Grave, so it's really weird to hear those songs with Dynah Cancer singing them.
Motherfuck, I don't own any Gun Club (downloaded) nor any Gibson Brothers lps. Keep an eye out.
thank god for slash...who in
thank god for slash…
who in their right mind wouldn't want to play like that? and that goes for the beloved oblivions…kesslers and cheap beer aint no match for coke and sweet sweet H.
The Consumers are great
The Consumers' shit is great, and the amazing thing about them is how good they were for an entire album. They ain't just a one-hit KBD thing.
Slicks and Oblivions do channel similar shit. I would say the Slicks have more of a downer vibe going. I also dig how they can jam a single tune for about 15 minutes. That's one of the reasons why I dug them so. They drifted into white noise freak out and Cowgirl in the Sand wandering desolation. Useless, I can burn you the first Gibson Bros LP, which is where it all started a stone cold classic. This record is near impossible to find. But if you find any of the singles from the early 90s then snatch 'em up.
Like Hendrix studying Buddy Guy's solos, The Gibsons and the Slicks are the groups Spencer was taking notes on when he was a fuckin' kid. I don't know why I mention that. I haven't listened to a Spencer recording since 93 or 94.
Slash indeed rules. But I would take the tandem Slash and Izzy (who had that groove down). Holy shit. What a fuckin' insane pair of axemen.
Do any of you 45 Grave fans
Do any of you 45 Grave fans like the "Hell Comes To Your House" comp? I love that record. Side 1 - cool synth-goth-punk. Side 2 - snotty-trashy punk. My favorite cut on the record is Redd Kross' cover of Puss'n'Boots.
I always thought Lost Sounds had a lot of 45 Grave vibe.
ayup, the Consumers demos
ayup, the Consumers demos sound really good and it is an album, something hard for any band to pull off specially the KBD hits when you're only looking at maybe 2 punkers from a 1st single before their 2nd single when they went wave and their 3rd single when they were trying to be REM.
The Blues Explosion was fun for the "Crypt Style" lp, there's some fun noisy stuff on there, "Extra Width" is good times as well. Still fun to yell "too much!!" and "Judah Bauer!!" and "Roy Rodgers Roast Beef-a sandwich!" at strangers throughout the day.
I'd love to hear the first Gibson Bros. lp. If you send me that I've got some goodness to sweeten your ears. You have any of the holy trinity of Belgian 1977 lps? The Kids, Hubble Bubble, and Raxola?
Hell comes
I do believe WIDR does (or
That's a cool comp
Yeah, that's a cool comp. And if that kind of stuff is your thing then check in with Jay Hinman at http://agonyshorthand.blogspot.com/. Jay did the Superdope zine, and he is a fuckin' gatekeeper when it comes to 80s West Coast freakery as well as the whole Gibson Bros/Cheater Slicks stuff. But he also knows a wealth of knowledge about rare KBD kulture and even noisy Monoshock kind of shit.
This is the first Gibson Bros LP. It came out in the late 80s and the bros had been rockin since like '84. They were so far ahead of the curve that it's utterly astounding.
Off the subject a bit (but hell we are far off it to begin with), do you duders like the whole world of Jim Shephard: Vertical Slit and V-3? He was tight with both the Gibsons and the Cheater Slicks, but he was a total post-Joy Division, lo-fi noise and Vandergraaf indie freakoid. Under a Blood Red Lava Lamp is one of the most harrowing post-punk records ever, recorded live in a basement and the tape is totally warped to hell but it all makes sense.
PLUS, I would love to hear that Belgian stuff. I have a couple comps but nothing substantial.
"The 90's, as I remember it,
"The 90's, as I remember it, were still fucking full of post-punk, emo, and indie rock bullshit."
I like a lot of that 'bullshit'. Hearing bands and artists in the 1990s such as Pavement, Sebadoh, Stereolab, Meat Beat Manifesto, Guided by Voices, PJ Harvey, Nation of Ulysses, Blonde Redhead, Unrest, Tortoise, Trans Am, Yo La Tengo, Unwound, and many many others (even Nivarna) made the punk rock ghetto a pretty unsatisfying place for me. I did like the early Jon Spencer stuff though. However, like anything that is a rehash of the past rather than a representation of original thought and movement, Spencer rather quickly (like most punk and garage seems to me when extended over time) became little more than a parody of himself. I would have to say that at some point the movement toward self-parody that permeates punk (remember me and others trying to explain about how the Ramones, Clash, and Sex Pistols actually truly were revolutionary in their time?) means that the bands that moved on (by definition, 'post-punk') were often more exciting than the bands doing the punk moves over and over again.
The question is though: why do some people seem to hate a lot of independent rock so much? Is it too 'girly'? Too collegiate? Just plain too boring? I'm interested in all y'all's thoughts on this.
I would add to that...
no problemo
You know me, Senor. I like me some indie rock. After all, I married that poseur that quit being a toxic punk to make fag music with that stupid college rock Sinatras band. (Selll out!) Anyways, in the 80's, i was into all the Slash/SST/Homestead stuff mostly. And Talking Heads. Etc.
Anyway, I just wanted to weigh in and say that I hadn't never heard o' no Gibson Bros prior to my employemtn at FR. I remember Scott pulling this weird album out of the racks. The record had a ridiculous cover that looked like a small-town white gospel group that went to K-mart to have their special group photy-graff taken in front of the autumnal backdrop. Unbelievable! The one dude's eyes are even kinda crossed! The clothes—total goodwill chic poly-blend go to church wear. "Man! What the hell is THIS?! Doesn't this belong in gospel or country or somethin instead of Rock?"
D. W*ite: "Oh, that's a great record. You haven't heard of the Gibson Brothers? You should put that on right now! Man! What on earth do you LISTEN to, anyway?…."
Is "inde rock" a genre with